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Vds | DeveloperSide.NET Blog #header h1 a, #header .description { color: #HEADER_TEXTCOLOR; } DeveloperSide.NET Blog Linux, Windows, MacOS? Who cares. Just give me something that works! Blog Less More Trim Untrim « Older Home Loading Newer » Search Results for 'vds' Lets Start a VPS/VDS WAMP Hosting Service Published by admin on January 28, 2007 in Hosting. 2 Comments I’ve got an idea, lets start a VPS/VDS WAMP [Windows,Apache,MySQL,PHP] Hosting Service, using Windows Server 2003 as the guest OS. First, we will need a dual CPU setup with the Intel-VT or AMD-V architecture extensions, lots of RAM, and SCSI drives under RAID. As you really do need a dual cpu setup to run these solutions. The top two choices for a Virtualization Solution (aside from VMware) that supports Windows as a guest OS are… Virtuozzo A true VPS solution with operating system-level virtualization. Provides multiple Virtual Environments (VE), that multiplex between one main Kernel. Lowest-overhead, fastest-performing solution. Can probably manage 100 linux-based VE/VPS instances on a Server; 3 times the number compared to other solutions. Cost is an issue… $1000 per socket [physical CPU] You will need to license their management tools. Good luck trying to figure out what you do need, and the difference between these two [I think the later is a web-based interface to the former?]… Management Console VZMC (GUI based) Single Server License $200 per seat. Unlimited server license $1000 per seat Control Center VZCC (web-based management) Single Server License $300 per seat Support will also run you $400+. The end-user will need the Virtuozzo Power Panel (VZPP). XenServer A paravirtualization solution that has the industry’s support and backing. Modifies the guest OS [or makes use of the mentioned cpu extensions] to cooperate in the virtualization process. Cost, for 2 sockets, per year… XenServer $99 [licensed to run 8 virtual machines on each system] XenEnterprise $488 [has no limit, maybe could handle 30 linux-based VPS instances] A number of third-party tools are available. Lets note that the above products can only handle 2-3 times less the number of Windows-based instances [just a guess on my part]. Lets look into the licensing costs/issues of a setup like this… Virtual Machine Technology FAQ Each copy of Microsoft Windows Server, whether used as the OS for a virtual machine (“guest OS”) or as the OS for the server (“host OS”), must be separately licensed. For example, if a user is running Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Edition as a host OS on a server and creates two virtual machines, each with its own copy of Windows 2000 Server (each a guest OS), the user would require one Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Edition license and two Windows 2000 Server licenses. Licensing does not depend on which virtualization technology is used. With a license for Windows Server 2003 R2, Enterprise Edition, you can run one instance of the software in a physical operating system environment and up to four instances in virtual operating system environments. The MSRP on Windows Server 2003 R2 is $999 for the Standard Edition, and $3999 for the Enterprise Edition. So for 1 host and 40 max win32 guests, that would cost us $25,000 (~60% of retail). There is one problem with this… Microsoft can’t make up its mind on whether the License ties into the device or the end-user, and who exactly the licensee is. In this VH context, this might break a few clauses. Luckily, Microsoft does have the Service Provider License Agreement (SPLA) which would allow us to lease the OS on a month to month basis for hosting. Its pay as you go, so if we only have 1 customer, we are paying for 1 license and for 1 month. While I cannot locate a pricing list, it is my understanding that the cost is usually at 3% of the perpetual price (retail, or average?). Lets add another $5000 for the cost of renting the server and another $5000 that Virtuozzo will extort in licensing fees (for 40 users) [both for one year]. At this point, assuming 12 months and 40 accounts, we are in for $25,000. To break even, we would have to charge $50 per month. Which is still about $20 more than what you could charge for a Linux VPS. And at those prices we would be working for free. For one person to do this, and make a living, well, you would need lots of paying customers and farm of servers. Hosting is a cutthroat business. More info on the subject… Wikipedia entry on Virtualization An overview of virtualization methods, architectures, and implementations. blog.virtuozzo.com There are also other noteworthy solutions like VMware (full virtualization) and Virtual Iron (based on Xen, except with Native Virtualization). VMware has some really great things going for it, like ease of use, and their appliance initiative. Spry seems to offer a dedicated server with Virtuozzo already setup, with 100 VE/VPS licenses — Linux as host/guest OS. Share This DeveloperSide.NET Servers Moved Published by admin on January 22, 2007 in DeveloperSide.NET. 0 Comments DeveloperSide.NET [and friends] started back in 2002/3 — with the lease of a dedicated server at rackshack.net -> which turned into ev1servers.net -> now known as theplanet -> which is also known as servermatrix… and who knows what else. $120/month for a 512MB, P4 2.0, with a 10Mbit pipe, 700-1300GB allowance. You can get the same, or better, for about $70 a month now. But in my case, I would have had to switch to a new server to get the new price. Should have, could have, would have… The service has been ok, in the sense that nothing major has gone wrong. I have not had to use support much either — just some minor issues and problems… Not that their support is good or anything; from what I have heard, it is not. Recently, I updated my account’s cc info, and their system failed to take it. I called, they said no problem. Long story short: I made the mistake of assuming that they would simply credit back the cash, and just bill the new cc. Did not happen. cc is overcharged and for all I know, this could reflect bad on my credit, and raise the charge percentage six months. Now that the Web-Developer Server Suite is on SourceForge [and pushing out 10gigs/day, moving up fast], I have taken the liberty of moving servers/providers… We are now on a Linux VPS/VDS [virtual server] CentOS install at Linode. $20/month. They use UML [user mode linux] and have been established for some time. Can’t beat that price either for what you get. They offer different distros, but make sure to choose CentOS, as its a RHEL clone, and comes with everything you need from the start. Just one note though, and a major one… After you update the packages on the system (use yum over up2date), make sure you reboot with the 2.6 Linode kernel or you will think you hosed the system. I’m not sure why they do not just say so somewhere — their docs are seriously lacking. The pings to the original server averaged 31ms, and now are at 91ms, but thats still pretty low to begin with, and the site(s) seem just as responsive, if not more. DNS has been updated with the new nameservers, and everything looks ok. All in all, a rather painful experience having to migrate data/servers, but it had to be done. The only downside to this all, aside from taking 2 solid days out of my life, is the problem of the dynamic dns client that comes with the WDController… It’s hardcoded to the old IP address; as I used a socket for the connection and the domain resolution on Windows seemed to freeze everything for a few seconds. Nothing can be done about it, and it wont be a problem until I shut the old server down. But still a mess nevertheless, and I will need to finish DynamicSide.NET and redo the client to POST the data to the domain. The work just never seems to stop. Share This Main Site DeveloperSide.NET Most Popular PostsAll Your SMF Forums Have Been Hacked. Have a Nice Day.The More Dell Lies, the More Ubuntu Community Embraces DellUbuntu Kills Linux, Then Self, Dell Suspected of Foul Play.Microsoft Thanks Ubuntu For Increasing XP and Vista SalesTypical Linux FUD Campaign towards Microsoft.It's Not a Bug, It's a Feature... No, It Really Is. 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